It fixed all the kinks out, so now its as reliable as an AR-15. . While the $3,000 MSRP is a bit steep, this gun is built like a Rolls-Royce, and offers virtually every feature that one could ask for in a pistol caliber carbine. I don't think the APC45 is going to do too well here. Based on the quality and performance so far I would highly recommend these. LWRC SMG45 finally in my hands. | Northwest Firearms Thats why Id go with the USC. LWRC made a natural choice in chambering their first submachine gun/pistol in the classic .45 ACP cartridge. 151. When I loaded 22-23 had no issues. It broke clean. Today youll find the best .45 ACP carbine for you. (verified owner) October 28, 2022. sorry the vector is plain homely. Though it wont win any sharp-shooting competitions, this weapon will do whats got to be done. Reload it carefully until the magazine locks in place and thats it. Romania Glad to hear that every magazine you bought worked perfectly! While Glock-style magazines in .45 are fairly easy to come by, the SMG-45 feeds from HK UMP mags. South Korea Gibraltar The SMG 45's 8.5-inch cold hammer-forged chromoly steel barrel gives overall length of 26 inches; that shrinks to 15.25 inches with the pistol brace folded to the right of the receiver. The ergonomics arent elegant. Otherwise go for a more affordable gun like the Hi-Point or the next gun. Are you looking for UMP45 magazine parts or others like sights, barrels, slings, or stocks? Paraguay For the rest of this article, subscribe here: Concealment 16, Your email address will not be published. I wish I had the coin for it! In line with other LWRCI guns, the machining is free of tool marks, lines are even and straight, and the anodizing is free of imperfections. In the video shown earlier, the woman neglected her Hi-Point 45 ACP. But three large for a blowback .45 is definitely cause for self-reflection. Should have done my due diligence. [Watch] SHOT Show 2018: Remington Custom Shop, Auto Meter Releases BEX Battery Extenders, Happening this Saturday: First Tactical V2 Challenge in Washington and Virginia. is that LWRC blowback or gassed or something else? The SMG-45 is sure to become extremely popular with anyone who appreciates suppressed shooting. Nice, Let us know how you like it, I was looking for one but got impatient and picked up a B&T APC45 Pro instead. The recommendation for the forward grip is in the accessories (attachment) section below. Mauritania The pistol is ideal for hiking or traveling in general. SMITH AND WESSON M&P 45 SHIELD 2.0 PERFORMANCE CENTER IN 45 ACP. Supposedly there was a second gen of . Tokelau Moose-Knuckle. It weighs about 6.8 pounds empty. The Just Right is left-hand configurable (ambidextrous). Im also open for suggestions for future updates. Not a lot of shooting time for a semi-auto. Italy The Kriss Vectors $1500 price tag isnt for everyone. Eritrea Chile [ARCHIVED THREAD] - AR45 with UMP mags, ive been waiting for you for 10+ years. Portugal LWRC SMG 45: The Long-Awaited SMG Pistol Lives Up to Its Billing (verified owner) July 22, 2022. If so, which one? Well, almost. AREX Zero 2S: The Slovenian Shooter [Review], Best Pump-Action Shotgun: Field & Home Defense [2023], Blue Collar One Stamp: KP-9 Spare Parts PCC, Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol: This Is My Boomstick [Hands-On Review], First Look: Burris Signature LRF 1042 Laser Range Finding Binouclars, Best .22 Magnum Ammo For Hunting And Self-Defense [2023], Washington State Passes Assault Weapons Ban And Is Immediately Sued. No stovepipes. Heres where the utility part really shines through. Libya I guess im having buyers remorse and wondering if I should have put up the extra money to get the . Instead, youd want an all-around rifle. Phenomenal machining and intuitive ergonomics. Latvia I like three offerings. Ireland Dominican Republic Made with aircraft-grade aluminum and high-quality billet, the upper and lower assemblies had no noticeable tool marks and were made to weather any storm. As Ive mentioned, I threw down over 400 rounds with zero issues. Bangladesh Blew up once; bandaged my hand; picked shrapnel out of my friend who was standing nearby; sent the gun back to NY for repairs; blew up a 2nd time. As far as sights go, I like the Aimpoint Pro red dot. For solid ammo for self-defense, Id recommend one of two options: Id recommendPMC .45 ACPs 230 gr cheap brass. The SMG-45's SB Tactical brace is both attractive and functional for stabilized pistol shooting. Thread: LWRC .45 UMP based sub-gun . LWRC SMG-45. Thoughts? | 1911 Firearm Addicts Some have described it as coming off the set of Planet of the Apes. It was rusty and ill-maintained. And thats a big deal since Ive put just about every brand, grain, and model of .45 ammo through the thing. Greg This UMP 45 mag will fit all HK UMP .45 firearms as well as the LWRC SMG 45 and other UMP style builds such as the following. Very fast shipping, and always happy with HK Parts! I own the JRC 45 marine take down model. Burundi I found the recoil to be moderate and easily manageable. Tanzania Could look at it as a long term investment, but really it's a big toy. Iceland Good Day I own a small gun store and as part of a larger purchase, acquired two HK UMP 45 submachine guns. Take a look at this 50 yard, 5 shot grouping test results: Not too bad, right? They aligned the barrel with the trigger nearly perfectly: So whatever youre aiming at, youll hit it dead center. Uncompromising Quality LWRC A bunch of damage. It doesnt make much sound, either. Extra mags for the hot, new, LWRCI SMG 45! You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Niger The lower mass results in lowered felt recoil and reduced sight movement during operation compared to contemporary .45-caliber subguns. While the focus of this rifle is compactness, not ergonomics, I found the charging handle comfortable and liked the fantastic SBR P* Grip. Estonia I have HiPoint products but I want a AR PLATFORM SO Im more leaned toward the JRC. I took it out to the range for a test run. It takes .45 ACP cartridges and uses HK's UMP magazines. LWRCI SMG UMP Magazine. Company reps were cautious, saying that they would base those decisions off the success of this initial offering. Once it was tuned in, the thing shot like a dream with no problems. . I have heard good things about the DA Ghost and should be an awesome can on that LWRC. Conversion kits to different calibers average around $200. It was nearly five years ago that LWRCI teased the public with their concept car PCC. $585.00. Email: sales@hkparts.net, Quick Detach Comp Weight HK P30L, P30LS Compensator, 50 Round Drum 9mm OD Green MP5, MP5K, 25 Round Magazine HK UMP 45, LWRC SMG 45, Best UMP 45 Auto 922r Compliant Magazines, Happy that I do not have to deal directly with big H&K, HK91, HK G3, PTR 91, CETME, C308, G3K, PTR PDW, HK93, HK33, HK53, VECTOR ARMS V53, V93, C93, HK UMP 4 Position (0,1,2,Full) Burst Lower, LWRC SMG .45 (This magazine is the factory OEM magazine for the LWRC SMG 45), Other applications where they use the HK UMP style 45 magazine, Compliance: Each magazine counts as 3 US-made complaint parts, Fits all UMP .45 firearms, USC-UMP .45 Conversions that use the UMP .45 magazine, and LWRC SMG .45, Gideon Shadow, Tommy Bostic Builds, Custom firearms & builds that use the HK UMP magazine, Each magazine counts as 3 US-made compliant parts which is all you need for US compliance. Costa Rica Dig that first photo! Sao Tome and Principe The barrel is 17.5 inches long and weighs only 7 pounds empty. The Just Right handles similarly to an AR-15. To be honest, once you shoot the USC, you wont care too much about your first impression of the stock. Built very heavy duty. LWRCI SMG-45 - Specifications. The SMG-45 uses an inertia-driven, delayed blow-back design. Saint Lucia Heres a40 round mag option. This is top of the list for next addition to my growing sub gun collection. I have zero confidence in a 9mm working there, though for dogs it is probably good enough. The Aero Survival rifle has a 16.25-inch barrel, bringing the overall length of the weapon to 29.5 inches. Mali (verified owner) November 24, 2020, Randall Kelley ! Kriss sends most of the recoil downwards: This makes the perceived recoil and barrel climb (or missed shots) significantly less. Show everythingShow all reviewsShow all questionsShow all photosShow helpful positive reviewsShow helpful negative reviewsShow unanswered questions, Fernando Mendoza All rights reserved. But is it worth getting? Too bad, we only have one available. ump 45 for sale on GunsAmerica. Buy a ump 45 online Now! Our expert gunsmiths CNC-machine custom parts too. Samoa Burkina Faso The buttstocks a skeletonized polymer. Hi-Point also uses a recoil buffer in the stock to absorb recoil. He mentioned that B&T will tend to kill off products that don't get significant sales quickly. Looking for a PCC in .45 ACP, would you choose a Kriss Vector, LWRC SMG Rated 4.95 out of 5 based on 22 customer ratings. Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba Looking for a product featured in this video? Guernsey Heres the coolest thing about the Vector: You can use multiple calibers. Seller: CBH ARMS LLC ( FFL) GA Sales: 656. A link to set a new password will be sent to your email address. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. High-quality magazines and work very well. Canada Chandler Smith South Sudan She saved her 2 children and got three thugs imprisoned. (verified owner) February 19, 2020, To begin with these mags are well made a nd HK parts dont sell junk they work great in my UMP 45 no problems what so ever. Can looks good on yours, man. The SMG-45 also comes with a folding SB tactical brace. Does, NEW from Burris comes the Signature LRF 10x42 binouclar/range finder! Address: 138 E 12300 S Suite C #240, Draper, Utah 84020 I loved the simple rounded release button that was found to the left of the well. All I had to do was use some Loctite and it held on tight. Are these mags marked with a V1 as are the ones sold by LWRC? Go for the Just Right Carbine Gen 3. And thats especially true when you combine the second feature, Kriss Vectors Perfect Barrel Alignment. (verified owner) April 2, 2020. The only mayday moment I had with this gun was the trigger. We overheard several passersby request other caliber options. Some claim the high-grade polymer skeletonized stock feels bulky and cheap, but I never noticed these things. Switzerland MAC's review: Bosnia and Herzegovina I measured the trigger pull at 5.5 pounds. Do you live in a gun-restricted state (like California)? Montserrat Its also a LOAD of fun to shoot. The charging handle is forward mounted, reversible, and non-reciprocating. The LWRC has that familiarity of handling an AR but with dat UMP charging handle. (think dogs running full speed at me). The B&T APC is one I love. (verified owner) June 11, 2022. US Minor Outlying Islands (verified owner) March 30, 2020. Do you have a catalog with process that we could look at. Armenia With USCs being in the $1200-1300 range+conversion parts, is it going to be better to. michael tyson Go to http://tfbtv.gun.team for details on our monthly gun giveaway. Purchased a LWRC .45 SMG and of course needed some extra mags. That said, the ergonomics get the job done. Personally, Id go with the Kriss Vector. India Show Printable Version; 02-09-15, 09:31 #1. I have 8 of these so far. Maybe I expect to much from the 45 ACP round. As the bolt and barrel travel rearward under recoil, the locking collar engages the top of the feed ramp and is pulled downward, decoupling the bolt from the barrel. You can buy the USC and get the ump stub fuse but overall I feel the USC route is the most authentic feel because the Germans are the one producing the gun,not a us made receiver. Uruguay Puerto Rico Youll either want to pick up a few extra mags (retailing around $50) or you can check out a larger 20 round mag like this ProMag. Shot about 100 rounds through it last night. Antarctica Stupid accurate and reliable, built like a tank. Carlos Torres Which of these carbines will you choose? 1. Perfect fit, great condition. So, if you want to yell LETS DO THIS! instead of OH, CRAP! when you start to go down (or more likely scenario: if you want to have a great gun to throw in the truck or use for home defense), then pick up a TNW Aero Survival. First off, as the name would imply, the SMG-45 is chambered for .45 ACP. United Kingdom The receiver is built from stamped steel while the rest of the gun is practically made from polymer. Do not shoot cast bullets through the 45 JRC the barrel will lead up. Head over to our website to find what you're looking for.Check out our . 100% US Manufactured, the LWRCI SMG UMP .45 cal, 25 round factory magazines are constructed from a proprietary mix of the latest polymer technologies. Palau Anyone have any personal experience or suggestion? At this point, the barrel stops after moving about a 1/4 inch, but the bolt continues rear-ward, extracting the spent case and performing the remaining steps in the cycle of operation. Striker 45 isn't the UMP45. It looks to be modeled after the LWRC SMG45 (Running a very lightly oiled boresnake through the barrel, lube accessible action components, clean the mags and finally, clear everything out with a compressor). United Arab Emirates (verified owner) August 11, 2022. Even if it does malfunction (as it did with GYGs gun), the gun still functions perfectly. Honestly, I believe the JR can go up to 150 yards with solid accuracy. I went ahead and got a couple of 20 round extra mags and a Picatinny rail setup from HK. Belgium Darren Limited Edition "Alien Green" 30 Round AK-47 MagazineGET YOURS. High Yield Savings Accounts Help Make The Most Of Your Money. J. AXSA left hand models in the wild? To overcome it, I installed a vertical fore-grip and it resolved the issue along with a few other ergonomic issues. Heres the JR versions you should buy: The HK USC .45 and the Kriss Vector Gen II. We were told units would begin shipping in June, and the MSRP is set at a brow-raising $3,000. Lets break down why the Aero Survival .45 ACP is a must-have survival rifle. Norfolk Island Papua New Guinea You are using an out of date browser which is likely incompatible with our website. When I opened up the box and pulled out my new USC, I was stricken with just how cool it looked. The forearm uses LWRCIs modular rail system from their IC carbine series. Have you looked at the Mech-Tech conversion for pistol lowers? TNVC vSHOTT 2023 Livestream MAR 21-23 - Win a TNVC Custom Cobalt Kinetics CK-PRO Rifle! Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I dont know. This is LWRCI's first pistol caliber carbine. The 4595TS also comes with a sling, so you can carry it on your shoulder. Build quality is perfect and nothing has broken or needed replacing. No personal experiences on anything outside my CZ Evo, but on the B&T front, there's a 10mm coming if you want even more oomph (though that would be even more expensive than .45 ACP, and if ammo cost is an issue): I have also heard that the CMMG radial delayed blowback is pretty nice, much smoother than a standard blowback. Privacy Policy. That video alone should be enough to sell you on the gun. Good riddance. Not the case here. Could be a bit easier to disassemble but for the money you aint gonna find much better IMO. Heckler & Koch USC 45: Best Close Range Carbine, 2. Save my name & email in this browser for the next time I comment. Overall weight came in at 6.4 pounds. and once I found the right ammo (which Ill cover below), I was hitting the sweet spot with groups of about an inch at close range. Runion Colombia Is the Kriss Vector worth its $1500 price tag? Macau All rights reserved. Its Picatinny rail will fit your favorite red dot. Lao People's Democratic Republic Bulgaria This allows you to equip optics, lasers, and even flashlights. It takes a few liberties with the brace and receiver, but otherwise it's definitely been modelled after the LWRC, not the UMP. Thanks for shopping with us John! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the JRC 45 . Retailing at $1,500, the USC is not a spur-of-the-moment purchase. It produced 1.6 average groupwith the smallest group of 0.9. Thats by far the cheapest rifle Ive ever come across. Its bullseye accurate and has virtually zero recoil. South Africa Christmas Island KRISS Vector Gen II CRB .45 ACP: BEST FOR CLOSE QUARTERS COMBAT, 5. Its that good for accurate and reliable shooting. Netherlands Its dirt cheap and usually available. Sure, the bolt doesnt open once the magazine is finished, but it operated smoothly. Coming with a 17 round KBI Glock compatible magazine, the Aero will fit any Gen3 or Gen4 magazine. Comoros South Georgia All Patreon supporters at a $5 monthly giving level and higher are automatically entered into the competition. I have similar complaints about the AR as well. Personally, I do a light cleaning after every trip to the range. TFBTV Executive Producer Trinidad and Tobago Need even more ammo? Israel Botswana 4. It handles, looks, and shoots similar to an AR-15. The Vector CRB Gen II uses a double-stack 13 round Glock 21 magazine. The Ultimate Firearms Destination for the Gun Lifestyle, 2023 Recoil Magazine It has a boat load of space for tactical accessories like optics and laser sights. This lowers perceived recoil even further. Selling a pistol with a brace is this now an issue? Hoping they fixed the accuracy issues with the latest gen. You're gonna love it. Slovakia PLEASE check out our Patreon page if you enjoy our program, and consider helping us at TFBTV out! Saint Pierre and Miquelon No problems there. I also love to pack a few medical necessities (including my LifeStraw) and make this a great bug-out bag to throw in the truck. The barrel allowing the gas to fizz out creating less noise. The Just Right is priced at around $700 MSRP. I picked it up last summer and haven't looked back. Honestly, it felt like I was shooting my regular 22 hunting rifle. These are all pricer than any of the three tested above but are all legitimate candidates. Lawyer Because of this, you may have seen the Kriss everywhere. (verified owner) November 4, 2020. Hong Kong Wish I had the coin for it! Sign Up today for our FREE Newsletter and get the latest articles and news delivered right to your inbox. (verified owner) March 8, 2021. But despite that, it worked surprisingly well and was pretty ergonomic. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Reloads are smooth and easy, while magazines drop cleanly from the well. So, the question is: Why would you get a JRC over a standard AR-15? NOTE: These giveaways are not affiliated with, associated with, or in any way endorsed by YouTube and TFBTV is solely responsible for the giveaways mentioned in this video and this description. Virgin Islands, British Sierra Leone Virgin Islands, U.S. Good Evening, my first post on the Forum. Posted: 3/10/2017 6:49:09 AM EDT. The SMG-45 is the new super-premium truck gun. I prefer the takedown model, barrel and fore grip removal take a couple of seconds. Made from advanced polymer material with steel feed lips just like the German UMP 45 magazine at a fraction of the cost. Pistol caliber (especially .45 caliber) submachineguns are a lot of fun to shoot. The .45 ACP cartridge, on the other hand, is inherently subsonic. Ive tested over $5,200 worth of .45 carbines. 3. Bouvet Island It did. You do get what you pay for, though, in accuracy and reliability. . Yet, it still fired when the time came. This means better accuracy. Definitely a compact weapon that is easy on the arms, just like my .300 AAC Blackout rifle. Aside from that, all the controls are AR. These magazines are 5 stars and work perfect with the USC to UMP conversion. Ive also installed, right after purchasing, Magpul stock and grip, ALG Defense ACT trigger, QD sling plate, EOTech red dot and magnifier. Yes, Glock 21 mags function perfectly with the JRC. Big plus if someone here has shot both the HK and the LWRC.. William Carmichael But dont mistake cheap with low-quality. Nov 28, 2020. The 1st explosion spit out the otherwise unharmed Glock mag proving theyre tough as nails. Omega Gideon Shadow 45acp vs Tommy Built Tactical KSM 45 I trust Glock but this upset me. check out the. As IV8888 summed it up: Its got the ergonomics of a boat paddle. Anguilla Mongolia I'm not familiar with "three lug.". For home defense, the Hi-Point 4595TS is all youll need. Very small aftermarket for it. Venezuela MAN. Nicaragua If you want 45 acp I'd say that, the kriss vector in 45, the cmmg delayed blowback 45 or get a ump clone(Tommy built ksc). LWRC International takes a nearly hold-my-beer approach with its complex-looking, yet elegant-acting short recoil/delayed blowback operating system. I'm looking for a pistol to Form 1 into an SBR most likely, assuming the 'pistol braces' don't work out as intended. "What would a $2,000 Geissele Super Duty do that a $500 PSA door buster on Black Friday couldn't do?" From Divergent. Firearms & Survivalists Lifestyle The Just Right and the AR-15 look like twins: They even use the same parts. The weapon is 32 in length. Instead of a roller-delayed system found in Heckler & Kochs genre-defining MP5 subgun or the direct blow-back design found in many other submachine guns, the SMG-45 uses what LWRCI describes as a short-recoil action that includes a moving barrel. You probably wouldnt go to the Aero as your first pick for regular range shooting. Its almost identical to an AR-15 carbine in length and weight. While most guns send the recoil backwards to your shoulder. Guyana The SMG-45 is a delayed blow back system with LWRC's rail system. Mauritius I was pulling 9.5 pounds out of the box and never got the factory trigger much lower than that. Benin The blowback system and higher caliber rounds make for great shooting, but somewhat heavy recoil. However, if you know where I can get a Dakota MP-5 SBR for ~$3000, I'm listening! While the USC does come with a nicely padded rubberized buttpad, its not one youll want to shoot for hours without more substantial shoulder protection. LWRCI's submachine gun is finally ready for the public and looks like it may have been worth the wait. When the magazine is empty, the bolt locks back. The Glock did BTF during my 20 round CCL test. Vanuatu If the suppressors become more common with changes to NFA, Id like it to be compatible. All rights reserved. Saint Martin Want something custom? Pistol-caliber carbines are handy with little recoil, making them extremely fun to shoot. Speaking of future updates, Im currently working on a a Thompson Sub Machine Gun update. I bought 6 of these mags so far & will more than likely buy 2 more before its all said & done. Heard and McDonald Islands Its got a thumb safety. After break-in (about 100 rds ea), was able to get up to 25 without jams. $419.85 for THREE magazines. Never shot a UMP but I've had a yearning for it for so long. Turkey Handling the SMG for the first time feels very familiar thanks to the AR-15-like control layout. We recommend upgrading your current browser or. Congrats!
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